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In any given situation, the person who is claiming that something is the end of the world is almost certainly an asshole. This is a handy rule of thumb, and applies pretty well across the board, with the possible exception of people talking about global thermonuclear war or other extinction-level threats (large asteroids, etc).

Also, the recent news that nobody seems to be talking about is that according to every peer-reviewed independent study, we have now killed more than 1,000,000 people in Iraq, either directly or indirectly, since 2003 as a result of this war. That is a lot of people - one six-thousandth of the world population, and 4% of the population of Iraq. Visualizing this from an Iraqi point of view resulted in this map. But honestly, this sort of number is way past "visualization" territory. Our government has, in the past 6 years, spent more than $500,000,000,000 on a stupid war, and this war has caused more than 1,000,000 people to die.

One million people. Dead. For what?

Date: 2007-09-23 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bagoffarts.livejournal.com
500k/person, that's an expensive hitman. ;)

Date: 2007-09-23 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] clipdude.livejournal.com
That map is striking. I don’t think most Americans have really come to terms with the cost of the war.

Part of the reason is that it is depressing. Every time I think about the amount of people we have killed in Iraq, the amount of money we have borrowed and spent, how difficult it will be to repay all that money, I get feelings of fury and hopelessness.

Even if began a withdrawal of all troops tomorrow, it would not un-kill those people or un-spend that money.

Indeed, that the war has been a humongous waste of blood and treasure does not necessarily mean we should withdraw. Proponents of “staying the course” might argue that given the harm we’ve inflicted on the Iraqi people, we have an obligation to remain and stabilize the country. (I don't agree with this; my personal opinion is that our continued presence will never help the Iraqis resolve their political problems and likely exacerbates them. We do have a moral obligation to stabilize Iraq, but sadly fulfilling that obligation is probably possible.)

Date: 2007-09-23 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amperlj.livejournal.com
I heard that. I also hear the miserable futility about not being able to un-kill everyone who's died there, no matter what we do in the future. It's a no-win situation...there may be a solution that sucks slightly less, but pretty much everything we do there is going to suck to some degree.

Date: 2007-09-23 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nuclear-eggset.livejournal.com
"For what?"
I'm pretty sure the answer is power and ego. Which is both so sad and laughable as to be depressing as hell.

Date: 2007-09-23 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cabanasloth.livejournal.com
Addressing your non-Iraq point: how often do people claim something other than an extinction-level threat to be the end of the world? I mean, if you say something is the end of the world, it's pretty much by definition an extinction level threat, right?

(Or do lots of people say this metaphorically and I've just happily missed it?)

Not to laugh at a serious matter, but...

Date: 2007-09-24 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] triath.livejournal.com
*phew*, at least Washington was untouched in the invasion of the US.

Seriously though, I couldn't agree more. But then again, I think you're preaching to the choir.

Date: 2007-09-24 07:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akjdg.livejournal.com
1. Like the rest of the mainstream media, the Atlantic Free Press has apparently accepted by aclamation and therefore glosses over the fact that the agressor has managed to annex 1/6th the land mass of the U.S. (not including the territory where U.S. citizens have been killed or displaced en masse), consisting of 4% of the U.S. states. Sadly, not a single member of the public noticed this glaring omission. :)

2. (This one's less ":)") I find it a stretch to state that the U.S. has killed 1,000,000 Iraqis. We have inspired/enabled/motivated/released (I don't know the right word here) Iraqis and others to kill Iraqis, and as a complicated set of interactions and actions ultimately stemming from our invasion, 1,000,000 have certainly died, but I disagree with the statement that the U.S. ("we") killed these people. We no doubt have huge responsibilities for what happened there, but I think the clerics that motivate their armies to kill and the individuals who fire upon the innocent are beyond doubt culpable to some degree.

Afterall, it's a big mess, and there's mud aplenty to splatter upon everyone's face. No need to hog it all to ourselves.

Lest there be doubt, I think the Iraq Debacle started before 9/11 and snowballed ever step of the way into the laugh-and-cry embarassment-and-horror that we now own. But I see no need to assume ownership of mass murder committed by others on top of responsibilitie for our own actions.

Date: 2007-09-24 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bettsbaby.livejournal.com
So what shall we do about it?

I write to my representatives weekly. We use as little oil as we can (both directly and indirectly). We read and educate ourselves on as much as we can about what is really happening. I send messages to friends reminding them to do so. I make art to raise awareness. I even made a bunch of Tshirts:
http://www.cafepress.com/peacepossible

And so on...

We can't change the numbers of what has happened, but can of what is to come.

So what shall we do? I'm ready.

Yes, I'm a visualization geek

Date: 2007-09-24 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amoken.livejournal.com
While I think the purpose is laudable, lying with geographical visualizations is among my pet peeves. The 4% population figure is represented as almost a quarter of the total area. Because of the way they did this, the 15% is not much larger, and it appears the total 19% covers over half the area. It's a great idea, and it does mean something, but they're intentionally misleading the vast majority of people who don't tend to pay attention to details like population density. Many people will walk away thinking (maybe "feeling" is a better word) an equivalent of a quarter of the US population has been killed in Iraq.

That said, I know it's not meant to represent the data honestly. It's meant to shock people and stir them up. Mark Twain would be impressed.

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